Comments on: “GOOD!? What do you mean ‘good’!?” http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/ Azeroth through the eyes of the casually hardcore. Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:08:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: What makes a ‘good’ player? « Moonfire.org http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-100 What makes a ‘good’ player? « Moonfire.org Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:38:33 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-100 [...] onto the bandwagon and add my opinions also. Other blogs that have opinionated on this topic are Casual WoW and [...] [...] onto the bandwagon and add my opinions also. Other blogs that have opinionated on this topic are Casual WoW and [...]

]]> By: D http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-90 D Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:48:42 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-90 I liked this post and think you have some good criteria for good vs. GOOD. And for the comments, I would have to disagree about allowing jerks to be categorized as GOOD. Sure, a jerk may play their class well, but a GOOD player is someone that not only plays well themselves, but plays well with others. A jerk is not going to be helpful to those around them and therefore NOT go above and beyond what is expected of them... which would lump them back in the "good" or "average" category. I liked this post and think you have some good criteria for good vs. GOOD. And for the comments, I would have to disagree about allowing jerks to be categorized as GOOD. Sure, a jerk may play their class well, but a GOOD player is someone that not only plays well themselves, but plays well with others. A jerk is not going to be helpful to those around them and therefore NOT go above and beyond what is expected of them… which would lump them back in the “good” or “average” category.

]]> By: Byaghro http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-89 Byaghro Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:32:14 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-89 @Aertimus Interesting. I suppose a lot of mine comes from the general group of people I play with and the caliber of those we end up pug'ing. I don't mind working with someone who has a great attitude, and helping them become better, but I find I cannot (normally) work with someone who is a bit of a jerk. As with anything there are exceptions, and the mindful of what is going on around them is typically the one most will overlook... with one exception: they have to be able to pay attention, or look for, what it is that caused a problem as a result of them not minding their surroundings after they have been through the content a couple of times. I think we've all been guilty of not paying attention to something we should have, but typically a good player will notice it and not repeat the same mistake again. I just have to disagree on the jerk part though... most of the people I have encountered that were great players were also pretty friendly (though I have no doubt that comes down to being lucky in who I've met) ;) @Aertimus

Interesting. I suppose a lot of mine comes from the general group of people I play with and the caliber of those we end up pug’ing. I don’t mind working with someone who has a great attitude, and helping them become better, but I find I cannot (normally) work with someone who is a bit of a jerk.

As with anything there are exceptions, and the mindful of what is going on around them is typically the one most will overlook… with one exception: they have to be able to pay attention, or look for, what it is that caused a problem as a result of them not minding their surroundings after they have been through the content a couple of times. I think we’ve all been guilty of not paying attention to something we should have, but typically a good player will notice it and not repeat the same mistake again.

I just have to disagree on the jerk part though… most of the people I have encountered that were great players were also pretty friendly (though I have no doubt that comes down to being lucky in who I’ve met) ;)

]]> By: RtR for 12/20/08 : Rick’s Place http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-88 RtR for 12/20/08 : Rick’s Place Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:43:12 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-88 [...] Casual WoW » “GOOD!? What do you mean ‘good’!?” [...] [...] Casual WoW » “GOOD!? What do you mean ‘good’!?” [...]

]]> By: Aertimus http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Aertimus Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:57:16 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-87 In a lot of ways I'm a below average player: I AFK during trash way to frequently and some days I am prone to major mood swings when people criticize me during a raid (especially my husband.) And I do agree with you that those two things need to be included to define a GOOD player. But I would disagree on placing "mindful of their surrounds" on the "good" list. I think there are far too many people who are just completely oblivious to their surroundings in WoW, but may otherwise meet the definition of "good". I think the ability to not stand in fire bumps a lot of players from "good" to GOOD. I also don't know how to handle the courteous part too... While I am more likely to play with someone who is pleasant, some of the BEST WoW players I have known have been complete jerks. The real key is to convince the jerks to like you - then you have the best of both worlds! In a lot of ways I’m a below average player: I AFK during trash way to frequently and some days I am prone to major mood swings when people criticize me during a raid (especially my husband.) And I do agree with you that those two things need to be included to define a GOOD player.

But I would disagree on placing “mindful of their surrounds” on the “good” list. I think there are far too many people who are just completely oblivious to their surroundings in WoW, but may otherwise meet the definition of “good”. I think the ability to not stand in fire bumps a lot of players from “good” to GOOD.

I also don’t know how to handle the courteous part too… While I am more likely to play with someone who is pleasant, some of the BEST WoW players I have known have been complete jerks. The real key is to convince the jerks to like you – then you have the best of both worlds!

]]> By: Byaghro http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Byaghro Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:20:14 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-86 @Davlin Certainly (on the link). And if you need any help figuring out something feel free to send me a message. @Deekow I think that's one area we'll all agree on - by caring one generally finds better players. @Davlin
Certainly (on the link). And if you need any help figuring out something feel free to send me a message.

@Deekow
I think that’s one area we’ll all agree on – by caring one generally finds better players.

]]> By: Davlin-Hydraxis http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Davlin-Hydraxis Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:58:17 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-85 Hey Byaghro, thanks for the RSS suggestion. I've set one up. I think that it works anyways, I've new to RSS. Thanks again. If I ever figure out subscribing and what not I'll see about subscribing to yours. By the way, I'd like to add your blog to my "Dav Approved Blogness" in my links if that's ok with you? Hey Byaghro, thanks for the RSS suggestion. I’ve set one up. I think that it works anyways, I’ve new to RSS. Thanks again. If I ever figure out subscribing and what not I’ll see about subscribing to yours. By the way, I’d like to add your blog to my “Dav Approved Blogness” in my links if that’s ok with you?

]]> By: Deekow http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-84 Deekow Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:26:46 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-84 Personally, my definition of "good" is someone who cares enough to show up, might ask a few questions, and doesn't cause a wipe. GOOD is someone who cares enough about their class to either do research or try out lots of things to get what works best for them and pushes themselves to play well. The GOOD definition absolutely hinges on the caring part... with it, you get caps, without it you don't. Simple. Personally, my definition of “good” is someone who cares enough to show up, might ask a few questions, and doesn’t cause a wipe. GOOD is someone who cares enough about their class to either do research or try out lots of things to get what works best for them and pushes themselves to play well. The GOOD definition absolutely hinges on the caring part… with it, you get caps, without it you don’t. Simple.

]]> By: Byaghro http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Byaghro Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:50:49 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-83 I absolutely agree with regards to the thought on etiquette and courteousness being primary concerns. What I have noticed, at least in my general groupings, is that if they are both of those things they typically fulfill what I find to be satisfactory performance. For example, a mage dealing 300dps at 80 is horrible. A mage dealing 900dps at 80, although definitely not where they could be (or debatably should be), is enough for me to be happy if they are trying. Obviously for others this may not be the case, but I think using the criteria of "satisfactory" at least allows the same thought to be applied by more people than for me to try to actually define it. Oh, and nice layout on your site. I do have one suggestion though (and maybe I overlooked it): RSS feeds ;) I absolutely agree with regards to the thought on etiquette and courteousness being primary concerns. What I have noticed, at least in my general groupings, is that if they are both of those things they typically fulfill what I find to be satisfactory performance.

For example, a mage dealing 300dps at 80 is horrible. A mage dealing 900dps at 80, although definitely not where they could be (or debatably should be), is enough for me to be happy if they are trying. Obviously for others this may not be the case, but I think using the criteria of “satisfactory” at least allows the same thought to be applied by more people than for me to try to actually define it.

Oh, and nice layout on your site. I do have one suggestion though (and maybe I overlooked it): RSS feeds ;)

]]> By: Davlin-Hydraxis http://www.casualwow.com/blog/2008/12/good-what-do-you-mean-good/comment-page-1/#comment-82 Davlin-Hydraxis Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:33:37 +0000 http://www.casualwow.com/blog/?p=160#comment-82 I agree with you on your definition of a good player, but I'd have to say that I'd also settle for someone who understands group etiquette and is courteous. The rest is just a bonus. If a person is polite, I don't mind taking the time out of my day to help them with the rest. That's just my opinion. And I greatly enjoy your definition of "good" vs. GOOD. Very well done, and I couldn't agree more. --Davlin of Epic Dwarven Blogger I agree with you on your definition of a good player, but I’d have to say that I’d also settle for someone who understands group etiquette and is courteous. The rest is just a bonus. If a person is polite, I don’t mind taking the time out of my day to help them with the rest. That’s just my opinion. And I greatly enjoy your definition of “good” vs. GOOD. Very well done, and I couldn’t agree more.
–Davlin of Epic Dwarven Blogger

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